JPIV in winter 05/Spino returns...

Velociraptor JI · Post by **Velociraptor JI** » 30 Jun 2004, 06:02

First off... I'm happy that Sam himself confirmed that he isn't looking forward to play in JP4. Introducing Grant again in a JP story would just be stupid and make the movie as bad as JP/// was.

I'd love to see other characters from TLW and JP... like Tembo, Dogson and Van Owen. But mostlikely this isn't going to happen. Well, Sam and Jeff are two of my very favorite actors, but I think they'd just destroy another JP by being reintroduced into it. Well... Goldblum - may be that he'd play a decent role in JP4 - but I'd prefer him not to appear in it.

Other than that - this rumor isn't anything official at all, and I don't even believe that JP4 is in the works as long as we don't have the word from Universal.

OneWingSephiroth · Post by **OneWingSephiroth** » 02 Jul 2004, 19:36

Nagisa wrote:The Spinosaurus "will be badder?" What's it gonna do now? Swoop down from the mountaintops and breathe fire? All while Horner tells us this is how the animal was in life?

Aquarium...no.

Nagisa, you crack me up, this is funny...thank you, you've made my day man. Honestly, let us hope that "Will be badder" is NOT the case.

Raptor · Post by **Raptor** » 12 Jul 2004, 11:07

Egad,not the spino!Return of the raptors?Okay,as long as there not JP3 ones!But not the spino!If they can do somthing interasting with it like have it get killed at the end!But what's with this "It will be badder." /mad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="

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pack raptor · Post by **pack raptor** » 12 Jul 2004, 14:36

[QUOTE]Raptor Posted on 07.12.2004 11:07
Egad,not the spino!Return of the raptors?Okay,as long as there not JP3 ones!But not the spino!If they can do somthing interasting with it like have it get killed at the end!But what's with this "It will be badder." ?I hope not.

The spinosaurus has plenty of potential it's just that its portrayal in JP/// was as this big fumbling oaf of a dinosaur. Which was intentional, but it didn't intimidate the audience, JP///'s focus for the spinosaurus was to propel fast-paced action rather than to scare you.

As long as the spino in JP4 is kept a bit more mysterious, and they make it seem like a cunning predator, then I don't see any problem with it returning.

As for your comment about the raptors, well, it wouldn't make much since to go back to the original designs after 11 years of design adjustments would it? And every sequel in almost any film franchise will alter the designs of the main characters/creatures to make them stand out, and to show a unique visual take on them in that particular film.

Cyclopsis Raptor · Post by **Cyclopsis Raptor** » 13 Jul 2004, 01:55

Personally, I hope Jurassic Park IV doesn't come out..it's just a waste of time and energy trying to milk this dried up franchise.. :\

tyrant_lizard_king · Post by **tyrant_lizard_king** » 15 Jul 2004, 18:20

Thats no fair. In JP3 there was suppose to be a scene where the Spinosaurus is killed by a pack of velociraptors. They should have went with that ending in the first place. And they better size him down a bit too.

pack raptor · Post by **pack raptor** » 15 Jul 2004, 20:54

Now I'm not a big fan of JP3, but I personally think it would have been dumber than it already was if they added in the velociraptors killing the spino. As for the spino's size, I see no problem with it, it's not like it's exaggerated that much. At least according to what Jack Horner said about the largest spino skeleton on the JP3 DVD. I think the biggest problem was that they made the spino seem clumsy and stupid, instead of behaving like a keen predator.

tyrant_lizard_king · Post by **tyrant_lizard_king** » 17 Jul 2004, 14:40

Actually the biggest problem is that they make Spino seem like the biggest, baddest predator. Now if it was Giganotosaurus instead of Spino, none of us would be complaining so much. Horner has no pure solid proof yet, if he did it would have been a different story. I don't know why Speilerg is letting him do this. I know Speilberg prefers T-Rex way more than Spino, he said it himself. So why let Horner isn't the only paleontologist working on this. Where the hell is Bakker when you really need him.

pack raptor · Post by **pack raptor** » 17 Jul 2004, 17:11

Ah ... most JP fanatics have bitter feelings toward the spino because it killed everyone's favorite dinosaur. Horner has logical reasons for why he thinks the spino is a predator, and it wouldn't have made any difference if he had full proof, people still would hate the spino because it killed the rex. Their's evidence that the rex might have been a scavenger, and scientist know for sure now that it couldn't run 35 miles an hour. But no one has any complaints about that do they?

In JP3 Joe Johnston wanted to use a dinosaur that really stuck out as different and couldn't possibly be mistaken for any other dinosaur. If they used a gigantosaurus some people might have thought it was a t-rex on steroids.

Man, you guys on this site love to kick dirt on Jack Horner's name. For all the good he's done for the JP franchise, everyone has to piss on him for their resentment for JP3.

Nagisa · Post by **Nagisa** » 17 Jul 2004, 17:46

QUOTE Horner has logical reasons for why he thinks the spino is a predator,[/quote]

That's questionable. Spinosaurus' closest relatives (Baryonyx & Suchomimus) are known fish eaters; they stalk riverbeds looking for fish, crocodilians, and maybe juvenile or small dinosaurs as food sources. They likely didn't go after large prey, nor did they have the strength to. Their jaws were relatively weak and the teeth were cone shaped (easy for prey to wiggle free) and not very deeply set in the jaw. Sure, they had impressive forearms, but looking at modern-day predators, they all still use their jaws to some degree with the forearms merely serving as aids. And the Spino couldn't have been much faster than the Tyrannosaur because they were about the same size. Spino was a little leaner, but not too terribly much so.

Signs point to Spinosaurus being more a river-stalking piscivore than the ravenous killing machine the movie portrays. It very likely waded around on all fours feeling for fish with the tip of its snout a la the modern spoonbill (explains why the nostrils are set so high on the skull...so it doesn't drown while fishing).

QUOTE Their's evidence that the rex might have been a scavenger,[/quote]

Dubious and most paleontologists don't buy it. "Pure" scavengers don't exist, for one. All carnivores seek out the freshest possible kill with the least possible effort. Sometimes that means scavenging, sometimes hunting. Never strictly one over the other.

Also, that'd be a LOT of wasted equipment if Tyrannosaurus was a scavenger. The jaws, neck, and leg muscles were all incredibly powerful, and the jaws themselves could deliver a devastating, vice-like bite (whereas Spino's exceedingly thin jaws wouldn't exactly have great crushing power or grip). The teeth were strong, wide, serrated, and set very deeply in the skull, creating the ideal anchors for holding large, writhing prey while the beast snuffed its life out. The senses of smell and eyesight were very keen, which helps in BOTH predation and scavenging (Horner fails to realise that living animals have a strong scent, too).

There's also actual fossil evidence that Tyrannosaurus hunted at least part of the time. Edmontosaurus tailbones have been found broken by a Tyrannosaur's bite, but since healed (albeit crookedly). If Tyrannosaurus was a hypothetical "pure scavenger," why is he pursuing live prey?

QUOTE and scientist know for sure now that it couldn't run 35 miles an hour.[/quote]

Of course, but short bursts of twenty aren't out of the question. That's more than enough to run down its primary prey sources, anyway...large Hadrosaurs and Ceratopsians were bulkier and had leg structures much less indicative of speed, meaning a Tyrannosaurus could very well run one down even at low speed.

Remember that one Dinosaur Planet special, Alpha's Egg? Remember how slowly the Carcharodontosaurs moved? And yet they still outran a prey item? A Tyrannosaurus hunting an Edmontosaurus would likely look very, very similar.

QUOTE In JP3 Joe Johnston wanted to use a dinosaur that really stuck out as different and couldn't possibly be mistaken for any other dinosaur.[/quote]

Acrocanthosaurus atokensis could have been a superb candidate. Around Tyrannosaurus size with genuine killing ability. And with its high spine, long forearms, and more angular skull (a different colour scheme, perhaps?), it would have been quite distinctive.

QUOTE Man, you guys on this site love to kick dirt on Jack Horner's name.[/quote]

I have all the respect in the world for Horner and his contributions to the field of paleontology. However, I think his theories on Tyrannosaurus and Spinosaurus are completely off and blatantly ignore some rather solid research by other paleontologists.