Jurassic Park db forum

The nuke was sarcasm, I'm just saying they just destroyed it. It had some mention at the beginning of the lost world, but I can't remember whether Hammond talked about it being destroyed or "deconstructed".

And the reason the spino acted so aggressive to humans was simply because they screwed up making a decent spino. /dry.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="<_<" border="0" alt="dry.gif" /> Yet I also think that the whole spino baronyx mistake is the best JP3 plot hole explanation I have ever heard.

saying the filmakers simply messed it up is just the easy explanation, but if you want to try to explain it within the story then you have to explore the Spino's irregular behavior.

but the Baryonyx theory has a few problems:

1.they would most likely use skeletal structure to identify the species instead of just outer appearance as they are born

2.there is a dead, partially grown Spinosaurus in a tank(it could be Ouranosaurus though)

3.where is the Baryonyx?(unless they counted Spino as Baryonyx)

Isla Nublar was not nuked in any way shape or form--stated by John Hammond. It was hit by a hurricane, which in turn wiped out the majority of the life on the island. The remaining dinosaurs on the island (assumed) died off due to the faulty lysine gene Doctor Wu and company inserted into the dinosaur's DNA. However, Isla Sorna was locked off from the public and declared a no-fly-zone by the government until the matter surrounding the newly breed and thriving dinosaurs was settled.

QUOTE:
"personally i don't like a human-dino hybrid idea it's just too crazy. but they were definitely doing something in that lab, and they kept hinting something. "



Hmmm, imagine what would have happened if the dinosaurs DIDNT die out...

SSJDinoTycoon42 wrote:saying the filmakers simply messed it up is just the easy explanation, but if you want to try to explain it within the story then you have to explore the Spino's irregular behavior.

but the Baryonyx theory has a few problems:

1.they would most likely use skeletal structure to identify the species instead of just outer appearance as they are born

2.there is a dead, partially grown Spinosaurus in a tank(it could be Ouranosaurus though)

3.where is the Baryonyx?(unless they counted Spino as Baryonyx)

There's several dinosaurs in those tanks. Recognizably I can pick out a Sauropod (Presumed to be Apatosaurus), Gallimimus, Tyrannosaurus, and Dilophosaurus. I don't recall though a Spinosaurus looking baby. They had to have counted Spinosaurus as Baryonyx, knowledge on dinosaurs like I said has changed considerably since the 1980s to 2000. What I was trying to state about the skeletal structure is that juvinile animals do not have all the features their adult counterparts would have. For instance I don't think the sail would've been fully formed on the Spinosaurus when they hatched and it's entirely possible that they cloned the Spinosaur shortly before the island was abandoned due to the approaching Hurricane Clarissa.

Jon wrote:Isla Nublar was not nuked in any way shape or form--stated by John Hammond. It was hit by a hurricane, which in turn wiped out the majority of the life on the island. The remaining dinosaurs on the island (assumed) died off due to the faulty lysine gene Doctor Wu and company inserted into the dinosaur's DNA. However, Isla Sorna was locked off from the public and declared a no-fly-zone by the government until the matter surrounding the newly breed and thriving dinosaurs was settled.

Life finds a way through hurricanes. Hurricane Clarissa's next stop after Site B was abandoned would probably be Isla Nublar, but that's all dependent on the heading it had. Lysine contingency really doesn't mean anything either because the dinosaurs in TLW ate lysine rich foods. So it's somewhat possible that Isla Nublar had some lysine rich foods albeit not as much as Isla Sorna's population, but plants in general are rich in Lysine. Even if the island didn't have some of the native plant life from Isla Sorna the dinosaurs on Nublar would eventually go extinct again as the population is mostly the same s**. Reproduction would be limited to those that have the African Frog gene that allows them to spontaneously change s**. Mostly though, the cutscene from TLW with Ludlow naming the price tag for the deconstruction of Isla Nublar makes me think they called a team in to at least investigate what happened. Isla Sorna was only declared a no-fly zone after the incident in San Diego when the general public began to know about Site B and eventually Isla Nublar.

where did you see a Tyrannosaurus or Gallimimus? and there are no Apatosaurs in Jurassic Park. there was one dinosaur in a tank that had a sail.

the year range for cloning a Spinosaurus would be 1990-2001. by that time, they would have already known what the updated Spinosaurus should look like. you're still talking about outer appearance. they would not go by outer appearance, skin, and features at birth alone because they would not know what they should look like. all they would have would be skeletal records. therefore, they would compare the baby skeletons to the fossils of the extinct. the baby spinosaurus would have very small beginnings of a sail, or at least buds for where the bones would grow. dinosaurs grow at a much faster rate than humans, so they would at least resemble their adult counterparts.


Isla Nublar was a theme park, meaning they had plants that were there for appearance. may were poisonous, others were unappealing to the dinosaurs. with herbivores not finding foods with high lysine content, and carnivores breeding, both would decrease in number. the carnivores might also have consumed all herbivores causing them to turn on themselves. still the lysine deficiency would be able to take effect before the herbivores could find such lysine rich foods. remember it's only a week before they slip into comas.

stating the price for the destuction of Nublar means just that, it was destroyed.

Isla Sorna was declared RESTRICTED, that includes both air and sea.

Pan back through the scene especially while Amanda and all the others are wandering. There's a possible infant Apatosaur prop from one of the tanks. Though the TLW:Official Sovenir Magazine confirms the presence of Apatosaurs as bones in the town. It's a loose confirmation and it's likely the animal doesn't inhabit Isla Sorna and it's mostly generic. Come to think of it I also recall a Dilophosaurus in the tank too.



Site B was abandoned approximate shortly after the incident at the park in 1993 because of Hammond's comments from TLW "for four years I've kept it safe from outside interference" or something to that effect. So it probably happened at least maybe a month or two after the events in JP. InGen still wouldn't have known what a Spinosaur actually looked like because no one really knew what the accurate look of a Spinosaur would be until about mid to late 90s, the reason why I suggested that was just to give a bit of manueverability even though I don't think the crocodillian look didn't catch on until 1999/2000 at any rate. That comes way after Site B was abandoned in the first place.

Dinosaurs may have grown quicker than humans, but for all intents and purposes they probably released the "Baryonyx" (Spinosaurus) before it grew it's sail. Here's an example to justify what I say even though the biology is different the fact still remains infants look different than adults: Do baby male lions have the mane of fur that surrounds their neck? No. As they grow older they develop it. So it's possible InGen, before it abandoned Site B, has Baryonyx DNA, probably even cloned a Baryonyx, but recovered amber from the Spinosaur location, them not knowing what a Spinosaur should look like and only saw the crocodillian jaws established it was a Baryonyx shortly before they had to evacuate due to the incoming hurricane. Basically the "Baryonyx" (Spinosaurus) would've just hatched a couple months before it was released into the wild which would explain it's over-aggressive nature as it had to fend for itself at a really young age. I think they even gave the animals grow accelerators to reach adult-hood faster (they did in the book, I don't know if they did in the movies at all since the books are fundamentally different than the movies).

Lysine is in just about everything though so the point of breeding animals that were lysine defficient is kind of dumb. The animals could survive off of eating miniscule amounts of whatever plant they usually consumed in the wild and the carnivores would of course ate the herbivores and inherit the lysine into their blood systems, but it's possible a population like that could only be sustained for maybe 5-10 years (Going off the Carnivores on the island over eatting and turning against each other model) without human intervention (example, exterminating life from the island). The Velociraptors were really the ones to have any evidence for any breeding. Look at the tracks of the babies when Grant and the kids find the mess they're two pronged then look at the tracks Muldoon and Ellie find later, also two-pronged, but really big in comparison.

i do remember the Dilophosaurus, but i do not recall a Tyrannosaur or Gallimimus. that does look like an Apatosaur, but only if the head grew slower than the body. i just had a thought, did they use Apatosaurs or Brachiosaurs in the books? i was wondering...

Hammond did not say he abandoned it, but he did say he kept it from the public's eye. meaning he still had control over it. there was nothing stopping him from continuing some unfinished "experiments" that he kept under wraps. basically nobody of the general public knew what a Spinosaurus was, since it wasn't really popular, nobody would have really put too much mind to them discovering a new snout for it. meaning it could have been discovered before 97, but nobody except scentists knew.

you're still avoiding the skeleton of the Spinosaurus. you keep talking about outer appearance and what the sail looks like on the outside, but if they x-rayed(or some less harmful way of looking at the inside) they could have seen the beginnings of the sail bones. most infants are born with all their bones. in a couple months it would have an almost full sail(considering the bones are there and the dino growth rate) not necessarily adult size, but enough to be noticable. a lot of dinosaurs had to fend for themselves even from birth, but that doesn't cause them to act any differently while hunting.

also, if they did abandon it in 93, then it would have died of old age before Ben and Eric landed on the island, especially if they had growth boosters.

Sarah tells Ian that the herbivores needed to eat agama beans and soy which are lysine rich. this could point to the dinosaurs needing a fairly large amount of lysine to survive. Nublar would not have a lot of plants like that, meaning they would not last long.


i think that me and you are the only people i know who realized that those were raptor tracks /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

but that bring up another question, where did those raptors come from? those eggs couldn't have been laid by the three main raptors because those eggs had already hatched...so who laid those eggs? it might be explained by the first book, when Tim saw a raptor in a herbivore enclosure leading to them finding out the raptors were loose in the park for a while.

The sail was built up of only heightened vertebrae and not of individual bone. There is, technically, no such thing as sail bones. Perhaps the closest thing to individual bones that you are trying to describe would be the plates on a stegosaur. And also the sail would definitely not appear with all its glory in only a few months and was probably prone to rapid growth during its adolescence. An adult spinosaurus would definately not die in 10 years or so. In fact, it could probably live up to at least 50 years of age if it can live a full life.

hmm...i see...yes i think i was under the impression that a sail was similar to the plates....well, wouldn't it have at least the beginnings of the sail by a few months? like maybe a centimeter high?

sorry, i was mistaken before, i accidentally mixed up the full growth with the growth from hatchling to adult. i would think it would be more like 30 though.