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or maybe some kind of dinosaur tor the fence down and the plants covered the rubble.

In the Isla Sorna map in TLW novel, the lab is right next to the village, but we know how closely the movies follow the books. /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />

Workers would have lived in the village the TLW site and travelled to the lab, the JP3 site. Although the TLW site was only a small part of the workers village.

ChanceKell wrote:Which topo map? The inaccurate fan-made one that conveniently places both events on seperate halves of the island?

The topography map is actually an official prop; however, the events labeled on it are entirely best guesses based on information taken directly from the movies. Given The Lost World locations are not accurately spaced far enough apart, but it does venture a good guess in the direction of the seperate locations witnessed in the movie series.

Click Here to See the map that is being refered to.

I've actually been researching this for 3 years at least. We take meticulous strides in making ourselves to be a cannonical resource of the information in the films. Basically think Star Wars: Technical Commentaries, but with Jurassic Park. We're that anal about our work! /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":P" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

ChanceKell wrote:The direction the JP3 group came from could be opposite the way TLW group came from, where the JP3 group stumbled apon the hatchery building whereas the TLW group were purposely seeking the administration building.

You should be advised to take in account Animal Territories and borders. Particularly the Spinosaurs and the Tyrannosaurs along with any other smaller carnivorous dinosaurs.

ChanceKell wrote:Where's your source for that? From what I can tell, there was no mention for the raptors' new look in the movie itself.

BTW I'm not ripping on you. I am just trying to help you see the evidence. In the JP3 Commentary they do state that they tried to purposely grey that Raptor out in Grant's dream to make sure it resembled the female Raptors from Isla Nublar, which were also seen as the "town/grass" Velociraptors in TLW.

Jimbob wrote:If you uh listen to one of the little documentaries or whatever, one of the dudes says it is the same place its just the one in JPIII is supposed to be the lab and the on nick went into is the main entrance/office building. they r at the same site. but about the fence, I guess they just werent paying attention.

What region disc do you have? I've listened to the commentaries before and never heard mention of that. I do know they redid the Ops Center used in TLW and changed it to the Embryonics Administration that you see in the JP3 film.

<< Here are the facts >>

The two building compounds from TLW and JP3 are two entirely different compounds in different locations. The compound in TLW was the worker village and the building that Nick went into was the communications center. The JP3 building is labeled Embryonics Administration. However in terms of the "behind the scenes" facts, the two buildings are the same set. The building in JP3 was only slightly modified to give the appearance of being a different building. I know, cause I've been to Universal Studios and I've taken the backlot tour and I've seen the set, both during TLW and JP3.

<< Regarding the raptor appearance variations >>

In the original JP, we are lead to believe that all the animals in the park are female. And thus all dino species were adorned the appropriate, relatively dull natural color schemes. For the female raptors, just plain dull browns and greens. Even though we later of course find out that the animals are breeding, it is my educated explanation that it would take time for appropriate male colors to form. That is, probably at least several months after the animals first began breeding.

In TLW, this is when we are first introduced to male raptors with there black stripes and orange backsides with white underbellies. Much like a tiger. Even the official Making of TLW specifically says that's what was intended in giving the raptors their new look; to emphasize the variations between the genders in raptors.

In JP3 however, both the appearance of male and female raptors are again changed for the same reasons as before. And this is simply an error made in ignorance on the part of the film makers. However, I believe there can be other acceptable explantions to the new of the raptors in JP3. One is, we are specifically only familar to the raptors of JP as "Velociraptor". But there are species variations such as Velociraptor mongoliensis, V. antirrhopus, and V. langstoni. So InGen probably cloned all these Velociraptor species variations which all have varying color schemes and appearances between the species and genders. And the other explanation is simply based on that of biological adaptivity. Considering how large Sorna is, and the varying environments and elevations, the raptors could change appearance simply based on their surroundings. There could be jungle raptors, or mountain raptors, etc.

<< Regarding MY Sorna map >>

This is to specifically address whoever modified the Sorna map I put out and took out the Trespasser locales.

To get to the point, I think that the info and scenery presented in Trespasser is very viable and very important to be included. Now while the tarrain itself might not entirely agree, the information and various sights encountered in Trespasser are essential to include on Sorna and the events in Trespasser did happen. While it has its many graphics short comings, the story and info is valuable. It's even narrated by the man himself, John Hammond, as he basically told the story of his life.

I will admit, that many of the locations of my Sorna map are educated guesses, nothing about it is convient in terms of the placing of the events. I think it is very clear that TLW and JP3 happened at two entirely different locations on the island. TLW happened primarily in a deccidous forest environment and JP3 was all jungle and rain forest. Both Nublar and Sorna have this blending of these two different environment types.

<< Regarding movie, book, theme park, and other JP universes >>

Many fellow JP fans have expressed to me that you can't combine the various JP universes and sources of info; i.e. the movies and novels are just too different. I argue however that they can be combined, as well as other sources, to fill in the whole story of JP, sort of speak. It's all about how you handle and use your info. Determing which ones are more reliable and which ones aren't. Using your primary sources of info like the movie and novels, and then using other sources like the Universal theme parks, video games, comic books, etc. to fill in the gaps. Here is a simplified view of it:

1. Movies
2. Novels
3. Video Games
4. Theme Parks
5. Comics Books
6. Merchandise and others . . .

As listed, the movies are the main source of info. Where there are gaps in the story and info about JP, we then go to the novels. And when there are still gaps, we go to the video games, and so on and so on. Whenever a contradiction regarding a specific piece of info occurs, i.e. the species of dinos in the movie versus the books, the movie overwrites the novel because it's higher up the source hierarchy.

While I may not convince all JP fans that what I do is correct in terms accruacy, I think combining all these sources of info is essential if you want to get the whole picture. I mean, you can't just rely on the movies alone for example and expect to be able to get all the info you need to describe Nublar or Sorna entirely. You need to take into account all sources of info and combine them accordingly.

Beautifully said Dr Dino!
u know your stuff, and makes it me so proud to be ...
Not giving away that piece of information! Instead i will jsut say i offered him a job at a soon-to-be-very-important-website.

Dr. Dino, do you own the JP3 DVD? On one of the bonus features of the DVD, they explain in a very simple matter why the JP3 raptors look so different than the velociraptors in the 2 previous films. The reason why the skull shape was changed was because of new scientific evidence regarding with the shape of the velociraptor's head, so according to Stan Winston, and Jack Horner, the enlargened crescents on the velociraptors snouts' were added to be more scientifically accurate to the way real velociraptors looked. The feathers were added for flash, and also because of scientific evidence that velociraptors might have had feathers. They didn't say exactly what type of scientific evidence was found for either one of the added design elements, but they gave a legitimate reason.
Though your theory on the whole evolution with raptor breeding was logical, and very well thought-out, that's not the reason why the raptors designs were changed so much through out the course of the 3 films. Though it would seem that way from how they spoke about the raptors intelligence, and how they would have probably have been the dominant species on the planet if they didn't go extinct in JP3, but that assumption it lead most people to was unintentional. The change in TLW was, like you said, to distinguish the males from the females, but it was also just to give a striking new look to the raptors.

Yes of course I own the JP3 DVD, I own a trilogy boxset like any good fanatic /dry.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="<_<" border="0" alt="dry.gif" />

And yes, I also knew about Jack Horner and how the raptors were updated, sort of of speak, to meet current scientific evidence. It just simply slipped my mind, doh! But you gotta admit, that even then in JP3, they did still maintain a seperate look between males and females in the raptors where males had the feather crests and blackish bodies and females had white bodies with some black stripes I believe.

Yeah, they did. But they only showed one female, which I thought was odd.

Not odd at all, there were a whole bunch of nests where did you think the females would be, the males in the meantime have to guard the territory the reason they brought in the female was a A: She's the Alpha female and B: She's the mom of those eggs.