JPIV:Scene Ideas

pack raptor · Post by **pack raptor** » 27 Jun 2005, 08:28

Ah, I see what you're pissed about. You're just mad that your favorite dinosaur was killed off. Really, I don't think it's as big of a deal as some JP fans make it out to be. But that's what it always comes back to.

As far as the look of the spino goes, I don't understand why you're so angry. They kept it pretty simple; solid brown with a white underbelly. The first time I saw the JP3 trailer I thought to myself, "That looks like a spinosaurus." They didn't really change the skeletal frame. The only thing I can think of that they changed a slight bit was the width of the head. I don't even think that the size was over-exaggerated, as most angry JP fans claim it was. Jack Horner said that the spino's height and length in JP3 were the same as the largest spino skeleton ever found. Please, spare me a rant on how much you hate Jack Horner, because he's not the person to blame for JP3. Direct your anger at Peter Buchman, Alexander Payne, or Joe Johnston. Perhaps Universal Studios for rushing an unfinished script into production. In other words, get angry at someone who was responsible for JP3's story.

SoulTaker · Post by **SoulTaker** » 28 Jun 2005, 04:45

Actually, I blame everyone involved in JP3 for such a stupid movie.
Second, yes, Tyrannosaurus IS one of my favourite predators (I'm a fanatic of predators), pretty simple colors? the JP3 spino?

In the environment we see it, I even find hard to believe it managed to survive. And I wouldn't have felt so outraged if they didn't have put the tyrannosaurus directly attacking the neck and tossing the spinosaurus around like a doll, i mean if the initial bite didn't have killed the spino, that surely should have, secondly, if we were talking about Giganotosaurus, I'd consent with the Giga coming out victorious, but a fish-eater? Spare me.

When I refer to spinosaurus as a mutant croc, it is because of the way the filmmakers made the spino, and I think that the JP/// Spino simply has nothing to do with what I believe a real spino should have behaved, but then again, i repeat: my quarrel is with the whole movie, not just one scene.

nissin · Post by **nissin** » 28 Jun 2005, 05:15

I dont think it may have been able to swim like that in the movie...

Deepu_ravi · Post by **Deepu_ravi** » 28 Jun 2005, 06:08

i guess t-rex will be the main dino character in jp4

pack raptor · Post by **pack raptor** » 28 Jun 2005, 07:15

Oh for the love of - who cares? You keep coming back to that 30 second long fight. It's a movie. Why do you think it would be hard for a brown dinosaur to survive in the jungle? It's brown, it has a decent chance of blending in. There are so many animals that live in jungle environments that don't blend in at all and do just fine. Elephants, giraffes, zebras, and baboons are good examples of animals that don't blend in, and manage to survive.

It's funny to me that so many people complain about how bad JP3 was. But what they don't acknowledge is that JP3 just used left-over scenes from the first novel. But some fans think it would be a good idea for JP4 to use cut scenes from the novels. We've already seen what happens when you do this. Why would anyone want this to happen again?

For some one that claims he has a problem with the whole movie, you sure do gripe alot about one scene.

nissin · Post by **nissin** » 29 Jun 2005, 02:35

QUOTE It's funny to me that so many people complain about how bad JP3 was. But what they don't acknowledge is that JP3 just used left-over scenes from the first novel. But some fans think it would be a good idea for JP4 to use cut scenes from the novels. We've already seen what happens when you do this. Why would anyone want this to happen again?[/quote]

That would be a good idea for JP4....

SoulTaker · Post by **SoulTaker** » 29 Jun 2005, 06:20

pack raptor wrote:Oh for the love of - who cares? You keep coming back to that 30 second long fight. It's a movie. Why do you think it would be hard for a brown dinosaur to survive in the jungle? It's brown, it has a decent chance of blending in. There are so many animals that live in jungle environments that don't blend in at all and do just fine. Elephants, giraffes, zebras, and baboons are good examples of animals that don't blend in, and manage to survive.

It's funny to me that so many people complain about how bad JP3 was. But what they don't acknowledge is that JP3 just used left-over scenes from the first novel. But some fans think it would be a good idea for JP4 to use cut scenes from the novels. We've already seen what happens when you do this. Why would anyone want this to happen again?

For some one that claims he has a problem with the whole movie, you sure do gripe alot about one scene.

I keep coming back to it because in this topic it has only been mentioned the spino.

Yeah, I think that the colorful sail isn't a problem... for a PREDATOR, you mentioned preys, elephants do not need to blend, they are big enough to not have predators, giraffes are in the same position, zebras pattern is perfect to evade lions as they are always in groups and confuse a predator, baboons are small and fast (but these are mostly savannah herbivores, not jungle ones). JP3 used left-overs, yes, but not the proper way. They took good scenes and made them look completely retarded, like the aviary, pteras with teeth, flaping their wings and carrying humans around, how realistic indeed... Oh and the raptors, oooh that blue stripe is so cute! and the spikes in the top of their heads that were suppose to be feathers, the horns sprouting form front of the eyes damaging the eyesight (in a predator this is a NO), and the female' bright pattern! Noone could see her hidden in a forest... no siree... their extreme intelligence, next thing they'll be browsing the internet and their size, even bigger than in TLW... yes they were made so much more realistic...

We can't forget the inexistant plot either, can we? Oh wait, we can because it was never there!

I think I better stop here with the discussion, it's leading nowhere except away from the original topic.

pack raptor · Post by **pack raptor** » 29 Jun 2005, 09:55

You act as if the spino had a neon glow-in-the-dark patch along its sail. It's just a faint red color at the tip. It also has a white haze along its rib cage. The colors along its sail and back aren't bright enough to make the spino stick out like a sore thumb. I didn't even notice the spino had red and white on its body until I saw a brightly lit photo of it months after JP3 hit theaters.

As far as the raptors go, yeah, the super-intelligence concept was dumb. But you said that the "horns" above the eyes looked stupid. Well, real raptors had raised crescents along both sides of their snout. They just took artistic license with the color scheme and feather frill down the back of the neck. I think they did a hell of a job with the design because it looked creepy to me.

The aviary sequence, and the river-rafting sequence were the 2 worst action sequences in the JP novel. You knew no one was going to get hurt in the aviary, and the river-rafting sequence was just too much of a corny gimmick. So it's no surprise that they were lame in JP3.

Know this; Jurassic Park is a monster movie, this is a fact that even Steven Spielberg has acknowledged. There's something called suspension of disbelief. This allows you to believe in a dinosaur amusement park. But if there was no danger, if there was no risk, Jurassic Park wouldn't be as entertaining. If that means portraying dinosaurs as monters, so be it. Jurassic Park is nothing more than a fantasy interpretation of dinosaurs. So don't expect accuracy from it. If you want to see "realistic" dino behavior, go watch "Walking With Dinosaurs" on the Discovery channel.

pack raptor · Post by **pack raptor** » 29 Jun 2005, 09:58

Sorry for making such a long post guys, I'll try to get out of that habit.

Deepu_ravi · Post by **Deepu_ravi** » 29 Jun 2005, 11:26

i think it should have a blend of both aspects.