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Posted: 13 Jun 2005, 03:19
by Jon
MSN Toolbar version 1.2

QUOTE MSN Toolbar 1.2 Releases With Tabbed Browsing
Nathan Weinberg | Contributing Writer

MSN released tonight version 1.2 of its search toolbar, which
brings tabbed browsing to all compatible versions of IE well ahead
of the release of Internet Explorer 7. While the tabbed browsing is
very rudimentary, it is also very excellent. running fast and
supporting most features you'd want.

You can click a button to open all links from a specific page
(say Bloglines) in a new background tab. You can have all open
windows be designated as "My Tabs", and then open them whenever
with a single click (although it is not simple to edit them). If
you accidentally close your browser, you can re-open it and click
"Open Last Viewed Tabs" to get everything back, no harm no foul.

However, you can't right-click on Favorites folders to open all
contents in seperate tabs, or have "new window" links open in new
tabs (all of those links will open in new windows, no matter how
many settings try to say otherwise, and clicking to open all in new
tabs breaks Bloglines). When you switch tabs, there is a funky
thing that happens to your screen, and the toolbars are not
consistent from tab to tab. Tear-off tabs would be nice, too. MSN
is promising even more updates, shooting for monthly releases with
new features. Lets hope more advanced options are on the way.

Still, you get tabbed browsing in IE, very useful if you don't
want to use Firefox or another browser. Me, I don't use the Fox
for various personal reasons, not the least of which is that I want
a simpler, leaner browser. In my mind, the browser is to be
ignored, providing a box in which web pages go. Firefox places
far too much emphasis on the browser, not the browsing, in my
experience, and that is too distracting for me to get any work
done. In addition, it has memory issues, slowing down my system
the longer I keep it open.[/quote]
With a few problems/glitches it's not all that bad. It feels so good to use IE again (sometimes).

Give it all a try if you're not using Firefox or Maxthon.

(Personally, I would probably be using Maxthon right now, but there are problems with it on my laptop. Oh well. It's just a scrolling issue with the touchpad. Dumb sh*t.)

Now. Download!

Posted: 13 Jun 2005, 10:28
by beeurd
I'm happy with Firefox now... but wait...

"In my mind, the browser is to be
ignored, providing a box in which web pages go. Firefox places
far too much emphasis on the browser, not the browsing, in my
experience, and that is too distracting for me to get any work
done."

I don't get what he means, I find Firefox looks a lot cleaner than IE. At keast the way I have it set up, anyway.

Posted: 13 Jun 2005, 22:32
by Alexander
Fact: IE blows.
Fact: Firefox rules.

I stick to the facts.

Posted: 14 Jun 2005, 02:20
by Lufelia
I hate that Firefox isn't as forgiving to fucked up coding so I can't view my friend's site, among others, without having to open up IE separately. Also, I don't see what the big deal about Firefox is. It's just clunky. Running a spyware remover is good enough for me, as I've never really had problems with "security." The only thing I really gave a crap about was the tabbed browsing and that I can get with Maxthon, as well as a popup blocker, plus some other plugins and sh*t that I don't want anyway. I find that Maxthon and Firefox are similar enough (and I could give two shits about the supposed "security" of Firefox when I've got 20 zillion other things to protect my computer), but because Maxthon can view sites that Firefox fucks up, I'm gonna go with Maxthon.

Give me some real, practical reasons why I should use Firefox and maybe I'll switch back. Hating Microsoft is a stupid reason, so don't even go there.

As for the quote, beeurd, I think what the person means is that there are too many crazy options and other bells and whistles on Firefox. Thus the emphasis on browser rather than browsing. But that's just my take on his words.

Posted: 14 Jun 2005, 10:54
by Alexander
Its not my job to turn you over to Firefox. For me it's more stable, lighter (I don't know where you get this 'clunky' view), more secure, and much more expandable. I have an extension for it called 'Adblock' that completely removes any ad from a webpage, and not removing it by just leaving a white block, but actually deleting it so you never see it. It makes browsing easier and much more easy on the eyes to not see ads, or the spaces they take up.

Firefox is for everyone, all the bells and whistles are for people who use them, if you don't want to use them fine, but you'll still have a stable browser.

Posted: 14 Jun 2005, 12:22
by Jon
I've crashed Firefox more than I've crashed IE. Everytime I go to a site that has a rollover image or something, man, Firefox goes bye bye.

Posted: 14 Jun 2005, 13:54
by Alexander
That sounds like an issue with your computer, rather than Firefox.

Posted: 14 Jun 2005, 13:59
by Jon
On both my laptop and desktop? The desktop by the way has all new crap ranging from motherboard to the processor & heatsink. /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":P" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

Posted: 14 Jun 2005, 14:53
by Alexander
Yes, it's not a Firefox problem, its an internal problem that is causing problems in Firefox, not Firefox itself. Considering you probably run similar programs on both machines I bet your problem lies in software. Software coding clashes all the time. I've used Firefox on countless computers and never had a problem with it crashing over roll-over images.

Posted: 14 Jun 2005, 15:39
by Jon
Well roll-over like images, which also use CSS.

Let’s say you program a site specific to IE to use their alpha-blending. When I viewed a site in firefox that used that, firefox bit the dust.

I've reported the problems several times, and no action has been taken. No info as to why that crash would occur.

And I don't run the same files on both my computers. My laptop has more for word pressing while my desktop is built for gaming and video editing. 3 Firewire ports baby complete with AVID. Heh. I love this new mother board /biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />