I was replying to Grant2525 and pack raptor.Also,I clearly said "Different Tribe".AlphaChaosRaptor wrote:For the record, again: I said the new raptors are a different version, and therefore had their DNA, developement, etc, manipulated in a way somewhat different from the other raptors. How else can the films maintain continuity and explain the differences?
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QUOTE I mean,you cant go changing the dinosaurs too much and making the original Raptors seem irrelevant and non existant only because theres new scientific evidence.[/quote]
The original Raptors were also kinda bland, too. All the animals in the first movie were either slate grey or some manner of brown. Gets kinda dull when all the dinosaurs in the movie look roughly the same colour.
QUOTE ...that idiot Horner...[/quote]
Watch it, pal. Horner may have a disagreeable view of large Theropods, but he's still done an inimaginable service to the field of paleontology regardless. Amasing how you can think so lowly of one of the people who revolutionised our view of Dinosauria as lively, warm-blooded animals solely for his views on one or two species.
Also, if you want to blame somebody for Jurassic Park's scientific inaccuracies, then blame the scriptwriters, directors, Michael Crichton, and the special effects crews before pointing fingers at Horner. His role in the films was that of a consultant...an advisor. He didn't go through and force changes upon everything, he merely offered advice when it was asked. The films' creative teams probably got a hard-on for some of the ideas he presented and ran with them. He simply provided suggestions based on the latest scientific discoveries, and the film crew decided to insert creative license and radical design changes between films.
The original Raptors were also kinda bland, too. All the animals in the first movie were either slate grey or some manner of brown. Gets kinda dull when all the dinosaurs in the movie look roughly the same colour.
QUOTE ...that idiot Horner...[/quote]
Watch it, pal. Horner may have a disagreeable view of large Theropods, but he's still done an inimaginable service to the field of paleontology regardless. Amasing how you can think so lowly of one of the people who revolutionised our view of Dinosauria as lively, warm-blooded animals solely for his views on one or two species.
Also, if you want to blame somebody for Jurassic Park's scientific inaccuracies, then blame the scriptwriters, directors, Michael Crichton, and the special effects crews before pointing fingers at Horner. His role in the films was that of a consultant...an advisor. He didn't go through and force changes upon everything, he merely offered advice when it was asked. The films' creative teams probably got a hard-on for some of the ideas he presented and ran with them. He simply provided suggestions based on the latest scientific discoveries, and the film crew decided to insert creative license and radical design changes between films.
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[QUOTE]
(AlphaChaosRaptor Posted on 07.22.2004 17:12)
Are you even paying attention? Read my post again. What you posted doesn't maintain film continuity, which is...I don't know...the whole point of everything I had typed! Where the hell you got the idea that I said something about different universes in relation to my post is beyond me. I thought I made it pretty clear what I thought on this matter.
That's funny because I was going to post a response similar to this regarding Dino Slayer's earlier post.
Dino Slayer, there is so much to respond to about your last post, that I want even put forth the effort, because if I do I'm going to get writer's cramp. I'll just wait for Alpha Chaos Raptor to reply.
(AlphaChaosRaptor Posted on 07.22.2004 17:12)
Are you even paying attention? Read my post again. What you posted doesn't maintain film continuity, which is...I don't know...the whole point of everything I had typed! Where the hell you got the idea that I said something about different universes in relation to my post is beyond me. I thought I made it pretty clear what I thought on this matter.
That's funny because I was going to post a response similar to this regarding Dino Slayer's earlier post.
Dino Slayer, there is so much to respond to about your last post, that I want even put forth the effort, because if I do I'm going to get writer's cramp. I'll just wait for Alpha Chaos Raptor to reply.
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QUOTE Nagisa Posted on 07.23.2004 08:07
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I mean,you cant go changing the dinosaurs too much and making the original Raptors seem irrelevant and non existant only because theres new scientific evidence.
The original Raptors were also kinda bland, too. All the animals in the first movie were either slate grey or some manner of brown. Gets kinda dull when all the dinosaurs in the movie look roughly the same colour.
Thank you! It's about fricken time somebody said that besides me.[/quote]
...that idiot Horner...
[QUOTE](Nagisa Posted on 07.23.2004 08:07 )
Watch it, pal. Horner may have a disagreeable view of large Theropods, but he's still done an inimaginable service to the field of paleontology regardless. Amasing how you can think so lowly of one of the people who revolutionised our view of Dinosauria as lively, warm-blooded animals solely for his views on one or two species.
Also, if you want to blame somebody for Jurassic Park's scientific inaccuracies, then blame the scriptwriters, directors, Michael Crichton, and the special effects crews before pointing fingers at Horner. His role in the films was that of a consultant...an advisor. He didn't go through and force changes upon everything, he merely offered advice when it was asked. The films' creative teams probably got a hard-on for some of the ideas he presented and ran with them. He simply provided suggestions based on the latest scientific discoveries, and the film crew decided to insert creative license and radical design changes between films.
Exactly! Finally somebody said it!
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I mean,you cant go changing the dinosaurs too much and making the original Raptors seem irrelevant and non existant only because theres new scientific evidence.
The original Raptors were also kinda bland, too. All the animals in the first movie were either slate grey or some manner of brown. Gets kinda dull when all the dinosaurs in the movie look roughly the same colour.
Thank you! It's about fricken time somebody said that besides me.[/quote]
...that idiot Horner...
[QUOTE](Nagisa Posted on 07.23.2004 08:07 )
Watch it, pal. Horner may have a disagreeable view of large Theropods, but he's still done an inimaginable service to the field of paleontology regardless. Amasing how you can think so lowly of one of the people who revolutionised our view of Dinosauria as lively, warm-blooded animals solely for his views on one or two species.
Also, if you want to blame somebody for Jurassic Park's scientific inaccuracies, then blame the scriptwriters, directors, Michael Crichton, and the special effects crews before pointing fingers at Horner. His role in the films was that of a consultant...an advisor. He didn't go through and force changes upon everything, he merely offered advice when it was asked. The films' creative teams probably got a hard-on for some of the ideas he presented and ran with them. He simply provided suggestions based on the latest scientific discoveries, and the film crew decided to insert creative license and radical design changes between films.
Exactly! Finally somebody said it!
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The original Raptors were also kinda bland, too. All the animals in the first movie were either slate grey or some manner of brown. Gets kinda dull when all the dinosaurs in the movie look roughly the same colour.Nagisa wrote:QUOTE I mean,you cant go changing the dinosaurs too much and making the original Raptors seem irrelevant and non existant only because theres new scientific evidence.
QUOTE ...that idiot Horner...[/quote]
Watch it, pal. Horner may have a disagreeable view of large Theropods, but he's still done an inimaginable service to the field of paleontology regardless. Amasing how you can think so lowly of one of the people who revolutionised our view of Dinosauria as lively, warm-blooded animals solely for his views on one or two species.
Also, if you want to blame somebody for Jurassic Park's scientific inaccuracies, then blame the scriptwriters, directors, Michael Crichton, and the special effects crews before pointing fingers at Horner. His role in the films was that of a consultant...an advisor. He didn't go through and force changes upon everything, he merely offered advice when it was asked. The films' creative teams probably got a hard-on for some of the ideas he presented and ran with them. He simply provided suggestions based on the latest scientific discoveries, and the film crew decided to insert creative license and radical design changes between films. [/quote]
Well,I was wrong about Horner being a complete idiot but he has changed a lot after those days.
The moviemakers did the new designs after his theories without a second doubt so I should blame them instead of Horner,just like you said because it is the truth.Its just that those theories(mainly T-rex and Spino) are some of the most incredible rubbish I've ever heard.Thats probably why many people dislike him.What I meant was that Grant2525's and pack raptor's explanations are far from logical.Movie characters cant change from one to other without a REAL explanation.Dinosaurs changing only because moviemakers want them that way doesnt explain why it happens in the movie universe.That was what AlphaChaosRaptor and I both meant.
As for the Raptors in JP1,they were okay.In JP3 they just looked ridiculous.
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[QUOTE]Dino_Slayer
What I meant was that Grant2525's and pack raptor's explanations are far from logical.
What the hell? Are you honestly saying that the decision to change the looks of the Jurassic Park velociraptors to keep their look current with new scientific knowledge defies logic?
Even if the concept artist didn't have scientific evidence to back up their changes in the velociraptor's designs Joe Johnston would have wanted them to change the design anyway. In almost every film franchise, the look of the main characters/creatures will vary from sequel to sequel because the film makers want to give the audience a unique visual take on the character/creatures in that particular film.
What I meant was that Grant2525's and pack raptor's explanations are far from logical.
What the hell? Are you honestly saying that the decision to change the looks of the Jurassic Park velociraptors to keep their look current with new scientific knowledge defies logic?
Even if the concept artist didn't have scientific evidence to back up their changes in the velociraptor's designs Joe Johnston would have wanted them to change the design anyway. In almost every film franchise, the look of the main characters/creatures will vary from sequel to sequel because the film makers want to give the audience a unique visual take on the character/creatures in that particular film.
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QUOTE I was replying to Grant2525 and pack raptor.Also,I clearly said "Different Tribe".[/quote]
Sorry about that. It seemed like you were responding to me, even though I did see your statement before.
Anyway, why are you all even arguing about what the film-makers did? Of course they changed the look of the raptors. That's fine. I only wanted to point out how it would have to explained from the standpoint of continuity, and I don't see why there's so much confusion over this.
Sorry about that. It seemed like you were responding to me, even though I did see your statement before.
Anyway, why are you all even arguing about what the film-makers did? Of course they changed the look of the raptors. That's fine. I only wanted to point out how it would have to explained from the standpoint of continuity, and I don't see why there's so much confusion over this.
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QUOTE Anyway, why are you all even arguing about what the film-makers did? Of course they changed the look of the raptors. That's fine. I only wanted to point out how it would have to explained from the standpoint of continuity, and I don't see why there's so much confusion over this.[/quote]
No kidding-- it's not really confusion, just to who has the last say lol /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />
No kidding-- it's not really confusion, just to who has the last say lol /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />
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Yeah, someone has to be right, I guess. It's a real headache to organize the universe. Continuity in the JP universe is pretty sketchy, unfortunately, given that the novels have to be considered separate in addition to a few other things. /dry.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="<_<" border="0" alt="dry.gif" />
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